Jonathan Kay: Once again, Canadian taxpayers bankroll Quebec's separatists
Posted: October 23, 2008, 2:23 PM by Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay
Mark Milke of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy just put out a fascinating report on the state of campaign finance in Canada. What Saved The Bloc Québécois in the 2008 Election: Public Money contains a lot of interesting nuggets — but I thought the most interesting graph was the one above.
For each party, the blue bar represents dollars earned from public sources (specifically, from the $1.95-per-vote subsidy provided annually to parties by Elections Canada), while the grey bar indicates private donations. The shocker here is the Bloc Québécois, which received almost 12 times as much public financing as private financing in the 2007-2008 period. No other party even reaches the 3:1 level. (And in the case of the Conservatives, private-source financing actually exceeded public-source.)
It turns out that even that paltry $503,676 the Bloc was able to take in from private sources since January, 2007 overstates the party's more recent fundraising ability: In the first six months of 2008 (the latest period for which exact stats are available), the party raised a pathetic $73,704. During that period, the Bloc got $1.5-million from Ottawa, meaning that in the run-up to the election, the party's public/private funding ratio was more than 20:1.
How many seats did public financing buy the Bloc? It's hard to say, but Milke seems more than justified in concluding generally that "Simply put, the Bloc's fortunes in the recent election were rescued by public financing."
It's a surreal situation: Can anyone else think of another example — in any Western country — of a government assuming virtually 100% financial responsibility for an entity that seeks to destroy the nation itself?
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by JFJ
Oct 23 2008
3:09 PM We need a dentist to fix the teeth of ours that they kicked in.
We need a psychiatrist to deternine the reason we funded the heavy boots they used to do it.
by Tarsands
Oct 23 2008
3:10 PM The Greeks would be laughing all the way to the forum at how Canadians allow political sociopaths to run this country.
Most politicians are little better than pond-scum anyways, but the Bloc-heads offer a new definition to ‘bizarre’.
by ZeeBC
Oct 23 2008
3:13 PM Multicult comes a close second IMO. We encourage and pay for foreigners to ignore and in time to overwhelm our culture.
by Gargoyle_7
Oct 23 2008
3:25 PM Let's remember that 1/4 taxpayers live in Quebec. And 1/4 of the total 'subsidies' did not go to the Bloc. (it looks like about 12% or so)
Really, the only shocking thing is the paltry sums that the Bloc can raise on their own. Perhaps it spells their ultimate doom?
by Tarsands
Oct 23 2008
3:59 PM Quebecers pay taxes? Now there’s an oxymoron for ya.
Quebec ain’t contributed a franc to confederation in generations.
And despite all the fancy footwork that defines Equalization Payments, it’s still up to non-Bloc Canadians to pay confiscatory taxes to fund the most self-defeating political system on the planet. I mean, only a bunch of Ottawa lawyers could dream up something as stupid as forcing a loyal Canadian nationalist to pay for politicos whose only purpose is to destroy the country that feeds it.
by Floyd123
Oct 23 2008
4:18 PM Reminds me of the old Red Rose tea ad --"only in Canada you say--what a pity".
JC invented the election financing legislation in the full hope of forever perpetuating the Liberal majority as that majority would gain the upper hand on public financing. The rest as we found out came in brown envelopes from government contractors.
The grass roots fooled him. Perhaps it is time to revisit the legislation to eliminate financing for parties with a disunity agenda.The NDP and Liberals might get on board or perhaps the mandate of the Bloc would change ?
by Floyd123
Oct 23 2008
4:20 PM Quebecers appear to be smarter at taking a free ride on the Bloc as well as The Rest Of Canada. They obviously do not put their money where their mouthpiece is.
by ebt
Oct 23 2008
4:42 PM Let's remind ourselves that the Bloc do not seek to "destroy the nation". Or "tear apart the country". They are dedicated to changing the Canadian constitution so as to change the composition of the country. Or rather, to encouraging such change, since they are not in a position to change it nor are they trying to get to that position.
If changing the composition of the country is treason, shouldn't the people who admitted Newfoundland all have been hanged? If it's destructive, how did we survive the admission of Newfoundland?
by ZeeBC
Oct 23 2008
4:59 PM Relax if you can ROC. Quebec will never separate. Why should they? They have almost everything an independent country would want plus a large teat to suck on. They are adept at playing the ROC for a sucker. Some look at it as astute politics while others as blackmail.
But times are changing. There is an online petition to give Quebec the boot.
"Canadians for Language Fairness Inc.
P.O. Box 40111
Bank & Hunt Club Postal Outlet
2515 Bank Street.
Ottawa, ON, K1V 0W8 Tel (613) 321-7333 Fax (613) 524-3247
Website:
http://www.languagefairness.ca Email:
clf1@sympatico.ca October 21, 2008
Finally, right across Canada come the voices of derision & anger!!Finally, the Canadian media is expressing what the rest of us feel about this ludicrous situation that Canada is immersed in – the status quo is intolerable & a solution has to be found or this country will forever be forced to be controlled by a province that is a beggar-nation but still has the temerity to prance around the nation like a Prom Queen. Granted, this is only the French-Quebecois, but we can no longer excuse the ones who didn’t vote for the Bloc. If 38% of the Quebec electorate successfully captured 50 seats, what were the rest thinking? That it doesn’t mean anything – that English-speaking Rest (Most) of Canada will continue looking upon Quebec with amused accommodation despite the fact that this province, single-handedly, is making Canada the laughing stock of the world?
Jeffrey Simpson from the Globe & Mail & Trevor Lautens from the Winnipeg Free Press express some really honest opinions & it is about time. If people have been listening to CFRA, they would have heard Lowell Green & Nick Vandergragt tackle this topic as caller after caller wants Quebec out!!
Our supporters want Quebec to be turfed out NOW – they want a clean break to be accomplished anyway we can. Realistically, it is not that easy but it is a proposal we cannot dismiss. As a viable alternative, we should not dismiss the solution offered by “Decentralization” – I am still looking for arguments for & against this as a solution.
Howard Galganov’s latest editorial: Time Is Not On The Side Of Ethnocentric French Language Nationalism - this is a must-read!!
Link to his web site:
http://www.galganov.com to read this & other excellent editorials.
Kim
P.S. We have posted a link to a referendum on Quebec -
http://www.petitiononline.com/.../signed.cgi Please vote & circulate the link to your own list. "
by Jacqo
Oct 23 2008
5:26 PM I am from Quebec and I didn't vote for the Bloc Quebecois.
This being said, looking at comments here, I don't understand why these same people do not accept the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada. Let us go and your problems will be resolved.
This is when I read comments from fellow Canadians that I am becoming a separatist.
by jabez41
Oct 23 2008
5:32 PM TARSANDS... Sort of like the attitude of the guy that suggested they should build a firewall around Alberta.
by Tarsands
Oct 23 2008
5:38 PM ebt: Let's remind ourselves that the Bloc do not seek to "destroy the nation". Or "tear apart the country".
Didn't I hear something about a referendum to separate that took place in la Belle province some time ago?
Get serious, Pal--Quebec will try and suck the very life blood out of this country and it still won't be good enough for them--no matter what changes are made to the constitution. And as long as we have gutless politicians feeding at the subsidized lunch counter in Parliament Hill, every hardworking Canadian (sans Quebecois) will be forced to listen to their endless whining.
Cut them loose!
by Sassylassie
Oct 23 2008
5:52 PM How many seats did public financing buy the Bloc? It's hard to say, but Milke seems more than justified in concluding generally that "Simply put, the Bloc's fortunes in the recent election were rescued by public financing."
LOL well put, but hay we are on the path to communism if the left ever run this country again. The Bloc is benifiting from stupid policies that make the taxpayer fund a party for people who are basically Treasonist.
by CamO
Oct 23 2008
5:56 PM Whow there are some angry posters on this board!
I think the majority of Canadians are upset about the Bloc but also realise that until we step up and re-visit the constitution Quebecers are going to keep returning these guys to Ottawa.
For the silent majoriy (clearly not on this board) who know that Canada includes Quebec and we're stronger for it...we have to work together for the good of the country.
I just hope some of you hate throwers will not interfere!
by CamO
Oct 23 2008
5:58 PM How can people write such hateful and hurtful things about their own countrymen?!
Quebec is Canada-and if you don't like it maybe move to Texas or something!
by Tarsands
Oct 23 2008
5:59 PM jabez41:
Certainly you are not trying to equate a silly one-off comment to Quebec's 100 years of griping and Ottawa's extortionist taxes to pay for it?
At some point the rest of canada will be forced to evaluate how much Quebec is costing us and if we can afford to have her around anymore--and the results of the cost analysis will trump a united and yet disfunctional Canada.
it's not unlike a drug-addict child. The family will work their hearts out for treatment, accomodation and encouragment for the addict to change her ways. Eventually the family has to kick the bum out because they can no longer afford their wallets being raided and destructive hissy-fits.
How many more transfer dollars could be dedicated to the Maritimes or First Nation's housing if we didn't have to fund Quebec's addiction to other's cash?
by Tarsands
Oct 23 2008
6:30 PM CamO:
Get out of Canada?
My family has roots that go back to Empire Loyalists, on one side and over 200 years of living in Quebec on the other--and you want me to leave Canada because you perceive some of these comments as hatred?
Maybe you should pack it up, Pal--this is Canada and what remains of a nation that has left blood (both English & French) on the fields of Europe defending the right to submit comments in this forum.
Because some of us are tired of paying for Quebec’s constant threats, it is not hatred—just agreeing to what Quebec wants—to leave Canada.
Cut ‘em loose.
by Todgemahall
Oct 23 2008
7:02 PM So Canadian tax payers happily fund a tribal splitter party. Big deal. We've spent money less wisely. The good news is that the pure wool revel in their federally funded eurovision-culture and then forget to go home and propigate.
This won't be a problem for my kid's generation.
by CamO
Oct 23 2008
7:09 PM Tarsands:
You want to show the world by posting on these boards you're ignorance go ahead!
Cut'em loose-you'd better reserve that clever catch phrase before some other right wing self hater does!
by jabez41
Oct 23 2008
7:23 PM I was referring to your first comment that called most politicians "pond scum".
Speaking of the maritimes Mr. Harper endeared himself to them several years ago when he referred to their "sense of entitlement and lack of initiative". So let me get this straight, Quebecers are leeches that should be tossed out of Confederation, the Maritimes are losers and a drain on our resources, Ontario is on the way to being a have not province so I guess they will be the next candidates for expulsion.
As far as Harper's comment being a one off that was not the case, he was quite serious.
by Mowich
Oct 23 2008
7:45 PM The people of Quebec are valued members of the Canadian Confederation; however, it is time they acknowledged that themselves. If it takes a referendum to make them see this, than so be it. Something has to be done to address the millions and millions of taxpayers dollars wasted in support of a separatist party.
by Delphicorc
Oct 23 2008
7:58 PM Canada's relationship with Quebec has often and inaccurately been described as a bad marriage. But Quebec is really more like a 15 year old teenager 'forced' to share a home with a harassed single parent (the federal government) and nine boring siblings . By constantly threatening to run away the teenager has scored his own suite in the basement where he can do as he pleases unmolested by the parent or the other bothersome sibs. Its great, he contributes almost nothing to the common cause but receives the largest allowance and only has to suffer the presence of the other family members when decides to take his meals. How can you blame the teenager for achieving such success? How can you hold faultless the parent and siblings that allow it?
by Mr.Ross
Oct 23 2008
8:21 PM As far as I'm concerned, Quebec, Ontario and the Maritimes can all hang out and bnakrupt each other. For the first time - and since hearing about Saskatchewan's success - I'm thinking that western separation is a better option. We westerners needn't ask Quebec - drunk on its own sense of self-importance - to leave the party, we (BC,AB,SK) should politely excuse ourselves from this farce of a situation and depart asap.
I rather think that Ontario and the Maritimes don't mind Quebec leading them by the nose so why don't they form their own coalition of the dysfunctional and let us get on with running a functional country?
Where can I sign up for western separation?
by Todgemahall
Oct 23 2008
8:29 PM Delphicorc: Minty.
by Todgemahall
Oct 23 2008
8:37 PM Oh, so now it's East vs West, eh. O.K. so like me and Quebec have decided get the Maritimers to meet behind the Tim Hortons in Calgary so we can totally kick your asses.
by IainGFoulds
Oct 23 2008
8:52 PM ... I believe that we will soon begin to hear the voice of courageous Quebecers who are ashamed of the province's constant demands for special treatment at the expense and sacrifice of every other Canadian... individuals who recognise themselves as equal and essential Canadians.
... Unfortunately, the chains of crippling collectivism will likely continue for the foreseeable future through the continued pandering of Mr. Harper.
by Barneyrubble
Oct 23 2008
8:58 PM I think the people who voted for the Bloc were smart. The Conservatives under Harper were obviously the greater evil to them. ( remember the lesser evil theory? )
Isn't that what this article is all about? Another group of people who did not vote for the favourite boy Harper?
The ' separatists ' out West used to be called the Reform Party.
How come sometimes the Liberals and the Conservatives can get Quebeckers on side but Harper cannot? Why blame the separatists supporters for doing the right thing, just like I did?
by ezbeatz1986
Oct 23 2008
9:16 PM The only party that has a worse public to private financing ratio is...the LIBERAL PARTY of CANADA!
About 70% of their financing comes from the public confers of which they lost at least $1.5 million/year because of their poor showing last election.
Cut the political welfare finance and both the Bloc and Liberal parties would die.
by jabez41
Oct 23 2008
11:12 PM Mr. Ross..
Perhaps you should check out the price of oil before you get too smug about western separation. Ontario carried you guys for years and when the bottom falls out of your oil based economy as it has done in the past you will be back with your tin begging cup clanging for another hand out.
As for SASK. we paid you guys for decades to either grow wheat that we had to subsidise or pay you to not even grow it. You might want to cultivate the virtue of humility . It may be necessary should wheat and potash ( which we also subsidized) tank again.
by Raze
Oct 23 2008
11:39 PM Jabez41:
Wicked.
All of the sucky little "please help me live" provinces were sucking the life out of Ontario for years before they hit their stride.
Here is a fantasy worthy of being commited to a whacky ward: "Give it back, with interest, you sapper sucks!"
Jabez, that'll get 'em hating you faster than any religious allegiance.
by Fred_001
Oct 24 2008
1:23 AM Quebec is only part of Canada because of military conquest. The British fought a good game, and the French didn't care enough to send reinforcements. So a bunch of French people got rolled into Canada against their will. Quebecers are an annexed people, not eager compatriots. This is hardly the foundation for a long-term unified nation. If you love someone, set them free.
" Le mot «méprisant» ne suffit pas pour décrire ce que j'ai rencontré jusqu'à date" - Thomas Mulcair, à propos de Dion