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Les Anglos d'accord

Jessica Nadeau
Le Journal de Montréal
29/11/2006 08h28

Malgré ce que certains en pensent, les anglophones de Montréal ne se sentent pas exclus de la nation québécoise, mais ils craignent néanmoins d'ouvrir une porte à la souveraineté.

La nation québécoise inclut-elle les anglophones? La question est toujours délicate.

Après avoir affirmé que la nation représentait quiconque paie des impôts au Québec, incluant les anglophones, le ministre Lawrence Cannon s'est repris en affirmant le contraire en point de presse lundi.

Pourtant, les anglophones rencontrés hier par le Journal revendiquaient eux aussi le droit de faire partie de cette nation qu'ils considèrent comme la leur.

«Moi, je suis anglophone, mais il me faut vivre en français, soutient le Montréalais George Miller dans la langue de Molière. La nation, c'est nous tous.»

Retraités, hommes d'affaires, ménagères, professeures, étudiants, tous sont d'accord pour reconnaître que les Québécois sont différents. Et la majorité d'entre eux se reconnaissent dans cette différence qui va bien au-delà de la langue.

«Je me considère québécoise dans cette nation depuis que je suis arrivée ici il y a 15 ans», soutient la Portugaise d'origine Christina Cunha.

Quelle serait leur place

Certains, comme Yassaman Amery, s'interrogent néanmoins sur leur appartenance à cette nation et à la place que leur réserveront les francophones.

«Je suis la nation! répond-elle d'emblée en anglais. Mais je ne suis pas certaine d'en avoir le profil... Selon vous, ai-je le profil, moi, une anglophone?»

Inclus ou non, aucun anglophone rencontré hier dans les rues de la ville n'était en total désaccord avec cette idée de nation... tant qu'elle ne mène pas à la création d'un pays souverain.

«C'est clair que nous sommes différents et que nous sommes une nation, mais je ne sais pas si c'est une bonne idée de le dire haut et fort parce que ça pourrait mener à la séparation», conclut Ariana Augoustis.

That's the best approach - self inclusion rather than letting politicians full of hot air decide who is or who is not a Québecois.

[skidooman]

That's the best approach - self inclusion rather than letting politicians full of hot air decide who is or who is not a Québecois.

Yeap. Or letting some people argue ad vitam etaernam about who is ethnically a Quebecois.

That kind of discriminatory talk leads nowhere.

[ataum]

If they want to, anglophones can become Quebecers.

But if they hate us and don't want to be part of us, they cannot blame us for not including them in our Nation.

The problem is they use double-bind :

They don't want to be part of us because they hate us, yet, they call us racists for not including them in our nation.

That's only one aspect their sickly mind.

[Droite Romantique]

Do you really have an idea of significance of the word "hate"?
Do you really think that you could ever love somebody who continuously bangs its head on the wall and says "I hate you I hate you I hate you!"
That's exactly what the Quebecois are doing to themselves!
Have you ever noticed that Quebecois always brag about how the english hate them, how they repressed them?
You know what's more disturbing?
Is it the fact that Quebeckers constantly WISH and HOPE that Canada fails, that every Canadians who apparently HATES them to the DEATH, and hope that Dion wins the election so that this country can be sabotaged?

No.

What's even more disturbing is the fact that Quebeckers, who are so busy bashing other Canadians and thinking in their imaginary minds that they HATE them, have forgotten the most important thing of all. The only ingredient that they actually need to be fully and truly INDEPENDANT (whether they're a country or not doesn't really matter...).

They forgot to love themselves.

Of all the posts written on this forum and things i've heard here and there while i was living in Quebec, the only positive things i heard about this great land is from people OUTSIDE Quebec.

Let me tell you this:
Everytime I ear french, i'm eager to finally converse with somebody from my homeland and make some friends. Unfortunatelly (and very sadly), I'm often greated with a snobish attitude and get ignored.
From real french quebecois (tsé, les vras de vras la. ceux qui ont a coeur la naaaaaaaaaaaaaation yawn! BS...). Not every french quebecois are like that fortunately.
But luckily tho, i get to converse in french with quebeckers eager to speak it from someone from their HOME land.

quebec anglos.
quebec anglos have more respect to the french language and people than the french themselves. They KNOW that they are different from other Canadians.

They are Quebecois too

Meeting snobish quebecois who constantly wanted to get away from themselves reminded me why i left.
it was for social reasons.
The Quebecois have a negative outlook on life and society in general.
I don't ask them to share my Christian values.
I would just like them to get a positive outlook on the universe.
Until that is accomplished, i think Quebeckers are going to continue to bang their heads against the wall...
and i really wish that Quebeckers instead of feeling prosecuted all the time, realize that they already have their independance and their land (a beautiful paradise full of wonderfull people with a lot of potential!).
All they need to do now is to be happy and grateful for what they already have!

Sincerely,

Dr. Romantique

[Polémix]

Look who's talking with hatred .. blaming the other for that.

[moso molo]

If they want to, anglophones can become Quebecers.

But if they hate us and don't want to be part of us, they cannot blame us for not including them in our Nation.

The problem is they use double-bind :

They don't want to be part of us because they hate us, yet, they call us racists for not including them in our nation.

That's only one aspect their sickly mind.

Well it is a fact to call canadians racists, why? just look at the 1871 law which considered native indians as second class citizen, 4 years after canada was officially on the world map.

The problem i have with canada( cause i am a separatiste) is a nation under monarchy rules, makes no sense to me, actually it makes me puke, it is honestly and exactly the lowest a citizen can go, i hope i havent insulted you.


Nations under monarchy rules= nations who has no character.

[che]

If they want to, anglophones can become Quebecers.

But if they hate us and don't want to be part of us, they cannot blame us for not including them in our Nation.

The problem is they use double-bind :

They don't want to be part of us because they hate us, yet, they call us racists for not including them in our nation.

That's only one aspect their sickly mind.

Well it is a fact to call canadians racists, why? just look at the 1871 law which considered native indians as second class citizen, 4 years after canada was officially on the world map.

The problem i have with canada( cause i am a separatiste) is a nation under monarchy rules, makes no sense to me, actually it makes me puke, it is honestly and exactly the lowest a citizen can go, i hope i havent insulted you.


Nations under monarchy rules= nations who has no character.

Oh lord...
Where to begin...

[moso molo]

Oh lord...
Where to begin...

I can give you a hint,the canada began when british loyalists arrived in north american by killing Native Indians, my ancesters.

[che]

Again, where to begin?

Of course, only "British loyalists" did that, didn't they?

[moso molo]

Again, where to begin?

Of course, only "British loyalists" did that, didn't they?

Who else besides spanish and british loyalists?

[Polémix]

Great Peace of Montreal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Great Peace of Montreal was a peace treaty between New France and 39 First Nations of North America. It was signed on August 4, 1701, by Louis-Hector de Callière, governor of New France, and 1200 representatives of 39 aboriginal nations of the North East of North America. The treaty ended 100 years of war between the Iroquois, allied to the English, and the French, allied to the Hurons and the Algonquians. It provided 16 years of peaceful relations and trade before war started again. Present for the diplomatic event were the various peoples part the Iroquois confederacy, the Huron peoples, and the Algonquian peoples.

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[moso molo]

Great Peace of Montreal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Great Peace of Montreal was a peace treaty between New France and 39 First Nations of North America. It was signed on August 4, 1701, by Louis-Hector de Callière, governor of New France, and 1200 representatives of 39 aboriginal nations of the North East of North America. The treaty ended 100 years of war between the Iroquois, allied to the English, and the French, allied to the Hurons and the Algonquians. It provided 16 years of peaceful relations and trade before war started again. Present for the diplomatic event were the various peoples part the Iroquois confederacy, the Huron peoples, and the Algonquian peoples.

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Les Iroquois, les Mohawks d'aujourdui, ont toujours été la risé des tribus amérindiennes, les ennemis juré de pratiquement tout les tribus, ce n'est pas un hazard qu'ils se sont retrouvé allié avec les colonieux d'angleterre.

[moso molo]

Do you really have an idea of significance of the word "hate"?
Do you really think that you could ever love somebody who continuously bangs its head on the wall and says "I hate you I hate you I hate you!"
That's exactly what the Quebecois are doing to themselves!

Sincerely,

Dr. Romantique

When i first read your comment, i told myself, what kind of people can say such stupidity? that kind.

Ce n'est que dans plusieurs années (décennies même) que l'on verra que la présidence de W.Bush n'aura pas été un échec, mais un grand succès.