de paradox » Mar Oct 26, 2010 2:13 pm
de bobi » Ven Oct 29, 2010 12:54 am
de gaulois » Ven Oct 29, 2010 9:53 am
bobi a écrit:Manque quand même quelques faits et une nouvelle toute récente au sujet de cette histoire (elle n'est pas terminée). Je n'ai plus le temps ni le goût de contribuer à ce fil mais si quelqu'un fait part ici de son désir d'en apprendre un peu plus, je peux écrire un petit billet d'ici vendredi après-midi. Faites vite parce qu'après cela, je me change en citrouille.
Ce fil est à peu près le seul que je suis sur ce forum. Trop souvent du pareil au même, ie. des rants souverainistes ou fédéralistes ou encore la droite contre la gauche, comme s'il ne se passait pas des choses plus importantes pour comprendre le monde "politique" dans lequel nous vivons.
de bobi » Mar Nov 02, 2010 12:57 am
Colorado Democratic Party Calls for Grand Jury Investigation of 9-11
The 2010 Colorado Democratic Party platform (page 31/54), approved by the 146 member platform committee states:
“Whereas many disturbing facts were consciously ignored by the 9/11 Commission; Be it resolved, therefore, that the CDP calls for the establishment of a truly independent Grand Jury and public investigation into these and other anomalies in order to find the truth of the September 11, 2001 attacks, so that we have a greater probability of preventing attacks of this nature in the future.”
This controversial plank was added to the State Democratic Party Platform after evidence supporting the critical need for a new investigation was presented at several caucuses in 2004, 2008, and 2010.
The citizens who presented arguments for a new investigation at their precinct caucuses are signatories to the Architect and Engineers for 9/11 Truth organization (http://www.ae911truth.org) which calls for a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
The quality of evidence contradicting the official 9-11 story is substantiated in part by the 2010 Platform Committee Chairman Hal Bidlack’s statement: “ ….this platform represents the consensus of the 2010 Platform Committee, guided by the results of county assemblies across our state. The folks who worked tirelessly on the Committee can rightly be proud of their efforts, and deserve our special thanks.” (Bidlack’s statement can be found on page one of the 2010 platform.)
In the upcoming Colorado election, Green Party U.S. Senatorial candidate Bob Kinsey and District One U.S. Representative candidate Gary Swing have publicly stated they would support a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
de HIM666 » Mer Nov 10, 2010 5:35 am
de gaulois » Mer Nov 10, 2010 11:11 am
bobi a écrit:Je n'ai toujours pas le temps de m'y remettre mais, en prenant connaissance des nouvelles ce matin, j'ai eu l'impression de me réveiller dans un univers alternatif : Karl Rove qui reçoit un subpoena, Tom Delay devant le tribunal et faisant face à une peine de prison à vie, et ceci :
[...]
Pas la 1re initiative du genre, et aucune n'a jusqu'ici eu de véritable portée politique, mais quand même... Signe que la vie intelligente existe toujours sur ce continent.
de Myriade » Mer Nov 10, 2010 1:22 pm
Surprenant cette sortie de Chomsky qui n'a jamais remis en question 9/11.
de HIM666 » Ven Nov 12, 2010 9:23 pm
de bobi » Mar Nov 16, 2010 12:42 am
de bobi » Ven Déc 10, 2010 1:27 am
de gaulois » Ven Déc 17, 2010 11:16 am
de skidooman » Ven Déc 17, 2010 12:03 pm
Second, in order not to be found to have entrapped someone into committing a crime, law enforcement agents want to be able to prove that, in the 1992 words of the Supreme Court, the accused was "was independently predisposed to commit the crime for which he was arrested." To prove that, undercover agents are often careful to stress that the accused has multiple choices, and they then induce him into choosing with his own volition to commit the crime. In this case, that was achieved by the undercover FBI agent's allegedly advising Mohamud that there were at least five ways he could serve the cause of Islam (including by praying, studying engineering, raising funds to send overseas, or becoming "operational"), and Mohamud replied he wanted to "be operational" by using exploding a bomb (para. 35-37).
"There ought to be limits to freedom." Dubya Bush
de bobi » Sam Déc 18, 2010 3:22 am
But strangely, while all other conversations with Mohamud which the FBI summarizes were (according to the affidavit) recorded by numerous recording devices, this conversation -- the crucial one for negating Mohamud's entrapment defense -- was not. That's because, according to the FBI, the undercover agent "was equipped with audio equipment to record the meeting. However, due to technical problems, the meeting was not recorded" (para. 37).
Thus, we have only the FBI's word, and only its version, for what was said during this crucial -- potentially dispositive -- conversation. Also strangely: the original New York Times article on this story described this conversation at some length and reported the fact that "that meeting was not recorded due to a technical difficulty," but the final version omitted that, instead simply repeating the FBI's story as though it were fact: "undercover agents in Mr. Mohamud’s case offered him several nonfatal ways to serve his cause, including mere prayer. But he told the agents he wanted to be 'operational,' and perhaps execute a car bombing."
de skidooman » Sam Déc 18, 2010 1:19 pm
"There ought to be limits to freedom." Dubya Bushde bechar » Dim Déc 19, 2010 10:59 pm
skidooman a écrit:Maintenant, si quelqu'un a des preuves que le FBI est vraiment en train de manufacturer des terroristes, faut nous le laisser savoir. Parce que jusqu'à maintenant, les preuves apportées sont, disons-le, plutôt faibles...
de gaulois » Jeu Déc 23, 2010 11:58 am
de Jobserve » Sam Jan 22, 2011 12:21 pm
Contrairement a une conspiration, un accord est un terme plus officiel.Farmer lui-même déclare que "à certains niveaux du gouvernement, à un certain moment… il y avait un accord pour ne pas dire la vérité sur ce qui s’est passé."
Le rapport révéla comment la commission constituée de 10 membres suspectait fortement une dissimulation, à tel point qu’ils envisageaient de signaler le problème au Département de la Justice pour solliciter une enquête criminelle.
De quel vérité la version officiel est-elle éloigné ? N'était-ce pas leurs job de nous la faire connaitre ?"Nous n’avons à ce jour aucune idée de la raison pour laquelle le NORAD (le North American Aerospace Command) nous a dit ce qu’il nous a dit", a déclaré Thomas H. Kean, l’ancien gouverneur républicain du New Jersey, qui dirigeait la commission. "C’était si loin de la vérité… c’est une de ces absurdités qui n’a jamais été résolue."
Farmer's main target in this book is the “official version” of what happened on the morning of 9/11, as propagated by the Bush administration and its minions. This story, the staff of the commission discovered, was “almost entirely and, inexplicably, untrue.” Most of the relevant documents were declared “classified” to prevent their release, and when the matter was referred to the Inspectors-General of Defence and Transportation, the only result was further whitewash.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/art ... 454681.ece
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt
bobi a écrit:Après les sorties (documentées sur plusieurs pages de ce fil) de Dennis Milligan, Donald Rumsfeld, Newt Gingrich, Charlie Black et Michael Scheuer (en entrevue avec Glenn Beck à FoxNews), souhaitant tous de nouveaux attentats terroristes sur le sol américain afin de fouetter le peuple amerloque et de l'unifier sous son leader, voici le tour de Rob Shapiro de reconnaitre le bénéfice politique de la stratégie false flag :Obama faces growing credibility crisis
Edward Luce / Financial Times / July 13, 2010
“The bottom line here is that Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official and a supporter of Mr Obama. “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.”
His book, Microtrends, published by Hachette Book Group USA, examines how small ideas can catch fire and lead to big changes. For example, Penn shows how a mere one percent of the American public, or 3 million people, can create a “microtrend” capable of launching a major business or even a new cultural movement, changing commercial, political and social landscapes.[37] In December 2008, Penn and co-author E Kinney Zalesne began writing a regular online "Microtrends" column in the Wall Street Journal.[38]
[edit] Comments on Obama
Following the 2010 midterm elections, Penn, appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews, suggested that Obama would need an event like the Oklahoma City bombings to "reconnect" with the American people as Bill Clinton did following the 1994 GOP takeover of Congress.[39]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Penn
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